It has been a rocky few months for the new leadership and for all us who worry this experiment in anti-West statism will fall flat with the voters on whom we rely to deliver for those we came into politics to serve.
I for one wanted to return in the new year with the good will normally associated with December. I wanted to feel more positive about my party’s prospects and get stuck into elections for Mayor of London, in Scotland, Wales and local government. We have three seats challenges planned for Sadiq Khan this Sunday and every month until polling day, as well as in South Wales later in January.
Within hours of the new year starting, and before parliament had even resumed, the top of our party decided to turn on party colleagues and not the woeful record of this government. Had the leadership, Seumas Milne and his team of spin doctors focused their fire on the Tories – let’s face it, they were spoilt for choice – we might have won yesterday’s Cumbria by-election and be making headway with the voters. The list feels endless: flood chaos, cabinet irresponsibility on Europe and reactionary housing reforms. Our chair Alison McGovern has done a better job of attacking George Osborne’s failures this week than the frontbench treasury team. I could go on and on. They did not. Michael Dugher and Pat McFadden were picked off for ‘incompetence’ and ‘disloyalty’ respectively. Irony aside, this was disappointing to those trying to give Labour a workable frontbench under a leadership that they had not chosen.
Surprised by the support that Dugher and McFadden clearly have in the parliamentary party, and then in turn for Jonathan Reynolds, Stephen Doughty and Kevan Jones, some at the top of the party were clearly desperate to distract from the mess they had caused. So we had the familiar but disappointing dead cat strategy – a provocative attack designed to start a fight and move the story on – deployed by the leader’s spinners.
John McDonnell let the mask slip. He went on the media to attack Progress – the organisation I lead – and those hard working Labour members associated with it. Viewers watching Channel 4 News, many of them Labour party members, were told ‘there is a group in the Labour party called Progress, who have a sort of right wing conservative agenda’. He then described our politics as ‘hard right’, a term in the Labour party historically reserved for fascists – the Blackshirts, National Front, British National party and Britain First. Not comradely.
Tired he may have been – the first week back has been more difficult than most had predicted – but in letting his true feeling known in what appeared to to be a series of interviews, he ended the excellent start the shadow chancellor made at Labour party conference. Striking a more emollient tone, the shadow chancellor said to those who ‘refused to serve’ that ‘in the spirit of solidarity upon which our movement was founded I say come back and help us’. Just three months later it is those who served that are beyond the pale and those who campaign week-in week-out that are to be attacked.
On this occasion, it was McDonnell who was off message. When interviewed by Progress during the summer, it was Jeremy Corbyn who condemned attacks on Progress and said clearly, ‘I would never be so intolerant’.
So who are these Progress members? We are all Labour party members – ‘them’s the rules. All wanted Labour to win in May. All worked to have Miliband not David Cameron as prime minister right now. Nearly all want to stay in Europe. Everyone wants a more socially just country and a government that tackles, not deepens, inequality.
McDonnell cannot bring himself to apologise for comments, but I am ready to start the year again and forgive him for those comments. Why? Because an act, that I fear was, intended to make moderates leave Labour party backfired and turned into a recruiting sargent for Progress and the positive politics we stand for. Anyone wanting a Labour government is welcome, if you have not yet joined, please do it now: http://prog.rs/join.
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Richard Angell is director of Progress. He tweets @RichardAngell
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There is a Labour Hard Right, of course. It is just that John is wrong to identify it with Progress, as such. But it has always been there. That is not news.
The hard right of Labour (Blue Labour) were in power between after John Smith’s death and 2010.
Mr. Foot, Neil Kinnock, ,’Red Ed’ (d/Mail term) Miliband all failed to win enough marginal voters So what’s your point ? That middle England will rush to the polling stations in 2020 to elect anti-trident Corbyn, the little red book man McDonnell, happy Dianne Abbot anti-Nato Red Ken . Dream on you are living in a delusional world. My party has lost its’ brains, I despair can we take this bloody fiasco much longer – how many more of us have to leave at the utter stupidity of a major political party in serious decline? The share of our vote will be lower than 1983 and possibly 1918. Utter Madness.
Well we’ve just our lowest share of the electorate since 1918? Sadly Corbyn’s social liberalism and his romantic foreign policy aren’t vote winners in ordinary circumstances but another economic crisis could make people start listening. A lot of the arguments on that front are sensible and pragmatic. And if people are suffering economically they’ll be less inclined to be bothered about his position on Irael/Palestine and Hamas. I wouldn’t write him off. You probably did it once already and look what happened…
Mr Foot had a far worst vote than Mr Ed Miliband and while 2015 was a shocking result for Labour ( even losing some of our English marginal seats) the massacre of the Labour vote in 2020 given the leader JC, the chancellor red book waving McDonnell, adviser, anti Nato red Ken – anti-Trident etc., No its over. What I cannot understand given the nature of England , its FPTP , its media etc., how these deluded Corbynites can believe they will become Her Majesty Government led by the PM former rebel Islington MP – its just so incredible intelligent people outside Parliament can believe it can happen or will be allowed to happen.
“Mr Foot had a far worst vote than Mr Ed Miliband”
Really?
Labour 1997 – 30% share of the electorate
2001 – 24%
2005 – 22%
2010 – 18%
2015 – 20%
1983 – 20%
You can’t even boast 2005 was a far bigger vote than 1983 nevermind 2010 or 2015. No wonder the left will not take lectures about what the electorate will vote for from the people that they stopped voting for in their droves! New Labour caused millions to begin sitting on their hands. They didn’t go back to the Tories, who’ve barely moved since 1997, Worse still, the vacuum they left allowed the BNP to go from a microsect of Hitler worshippers, in the mid 90s, into a serious mainstream force by the time the next decade was out. A batten UKIP have happily taken and run with. What a fine legacy!
Again, you and your ilk can laugh all you like. I’m sure you all had a good laugh at the idea of him winning the leadership too. You thought the membership was dominated by people who agreed with your politics. Turned out it wasn’t. There were lots of pragmatic Blarities who accepted Blarism as long as it won. When that aura went, so did the support. In the same vein, the country may also have a change of heart when the circumstancrs change and this so called ‘recovery’ comes crashing down.
At the very least, Corbyn can oversee a PLP clear out by 2020. The boundary changes are coming up, plenty of others standing down… Clive Lewis or another younger pretender, without all the Corbyn baggage, liberalism and romantic foreign policy notions, will not need a sympathy vote to get on the ballot in 2020!
you are being disingenuous – you are giving electorate not voters or MPs. What matters is Foot and Kinnock lost 3 or so elections in a row . The far left can not win elections. New Labour won three elections and the Tories did not win even in 2010. Now Corbyn has the lowest leader ratings in history and the Tories have opened a sound lead over your hard left man .and Red Ken pulling the strings.
As someone who has joined Progress after listening to McDonnell’s essentially factional comments, I can say I am thoroughly satisfied with the balanced nature of this article (although I feel the initial headline “The week the mask slipped” is a little too divisive, even if it grabbed my attention).
There are too many “-isms”, “-ites”, and “-nistas” in the party. A degree of collective objectivity, and strategic thinking, is needed.
hahaha are you serious? do you know how long I and other members have been referred to as ‘Hard Left’ by copious amounts of MP’s, media etc. What Corbyn wants now isnt that dissimilar to the SDP’s when they split, that is how far the centre ground has shifted. In my CLP one of the members of over 3 decades says that he hasnt changed at all but once he was on the right of the party, and now he is on the left!
I might as well repeat what I said at my CLP last evening. I am concerned at the tone of comments by Corbyn / Momentum supporters. I am more concerned by the tone of some Progress supporters; I cannot understand, for example, why John McTernan is still in the party as he rants away in the Telegraph and on Newsnight. But I am most concerned by the behaviour of far too many PLP members in constantly seeking to undermine the elected leader; ‘serial disloyalty’ is an accurate description. It is they that keep the focus on Labour divisions rather than the most unpleasant and dangerous Tory government in my lifetime. And Progress encourages them.
I appreciate the access to articles I might otherwise miss on these pages. But I do wish Progress supporters would accept that Corbyn supporters do not have a monopoly on intolerance, abuse and factionalism.
Wasn’t Stephen Doughty a vice-Chair of Progress? An official complaint against the orchestration of his resignation, by the BBC has apparently now been launched.
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Whether you are right or wrong, I don’t think this was a wise post. It may well be that John McDonnell will come to regret his statement – even by now he may have cooled down. But by posting this, you make it much more difficult for him to retract or apologise so you have entrenched both of your positions.
Jeremy Corbyn was elected by an overwhelming majority of members, even if some in the PLP don’t like it, and he has the right to choose a shadow cabinet that will work together. Many of his policies chime with a people tired and beaten down by the Tories and their despicable corrupt and self-interested policies. No-one in the Labour movement should be doing anything but getting behind the leadership in the battle to save the country from desolation. I don’t know the ins and outs of the few sackings and resignations and I suggest that anyone following the news media is similarly ill-informed.
It takes two to tango and Progress will be blamed by some if the party does badly. We all know where that will lead. Much the same could be said to Mandelson and others who have joined in the fray. If they have nothing positive to contribute, they should shut up. Labour MPs should spend their time attacking Cameron, Osborne and the like and if there are issues to raise they should be taken up quietly not in a public forum or the (hostile) media.
The Cumbria by-election result was on an 18% turnout where a well known local won. Please keep a sense of proportion – it is irrelevant.
The Labour Party ‘reshuffle’ antics this week have been shocking distracting attention from the Cameron weakness of caving into his ‘isolationist’ Right Wingers on Europe and threatening our country’s economic future, jobs, social chapter, inward investment, exports, bonds, shares, currency, all our pension pots etc, Brexit is a nightmare coming soon and Labour should be in full attack defending our future well being. Look at who supports exit like the hedge funds etc and you get an idea of England’s ( not Scotland’s future as they will leave us). Its fricken awful.
How I long for the days when Labour was led by outward looking, media savvy, internationalist and bright social democrats rather than this inward looking sectarian, anti-everything, group of JC, McDonnell, Abbot and Red Ken. For many of us hanging on- it is despair but we must re-invigorate the Centre-Left, evolve relevant policies and encourage a set of leaders who will inspire a broad church of members and capture votes from across all the UK. We have to be there to pick up the pieces in the next few years when the voters have delivered their verdict on JC, McDonnell, Abbot and Ken Livingstone. And what a devastating verdict it will be.
“Look at who supports exit like the hedge funds etc”
But the CBI and Ken Clarke, who support staying, are our good friends? And all the nice folks who’ve been hammering Greece, Portugal, Ireland and Spain? Social chapter? This isn’t the 80s fella. The EU now has lazziez-faire at its heart and the ‘social Europe’ guff is distant memory.
“We have to be there to pick up the pieces in the next few years”
“After Corbyn – our turn!” That could be a good slogan! 😉
Why would I be anti- Ken Clarke – one of the very few Conservatives who talks any sense on UK economy and the EU. Like the other intelligent/specialists the FT the CBI know its in our own economic interests as an exporting country to remain in an EU ; obvious to me. Look at who wants out The D/Express group. Hedge funds and Right wing Tories, various foreign billionaires – the Social Chapter would be first to go. Your other reference relates to serious Sovereign Debt Southern Europe countries, over-borrowing, inadequate economies, Euro issues etc.,
But 27 other countries want to be in the EU with Scotland likely leaving the UK that’s = 28 countries. Little Right Wing isolationist England led by Tory right wingers for ever. You want it you live with it ; some of us will be off to other places.
The EU has contributed to making Europe and the world a less equal place. Rather than redistributing wealth it has redistributed people across the continent. All chasing the capital. Just ask the young people of Spain or Ireland. What is ‘centre left’ or ‘socal democratic’ about any of that? But then again, you seem to hold the likes of Ruth Leah and Ken Clarke in quite high regard… so I suspect that question is rather moot!
Little Englander? I’d be a little Englander than a little EUer. With all your directives telling governments to cut their public spending and open this and that to ‘competition’. More social democracy? As one Belgian government minister asked, after being told by some Eurocrat to shave £8 billion off the budget: “who are these people, who elected them and how are they accountable?” The answer is: they’re not and to no one. And that is the point. The meddling masses with even a limited representive democracy can kick out the liberals but the EU takes away that ‘danger’. Juncker openly stated it about Greece electing Syriza. And that is why serious Tories like Ken Clarke and thinking represntatives of big bussiness, like Ruth Lea, are such big supporters.
This is exactly why the election of Jeremy Corbyn to the leadership by people who had no inkling of what he stood for was such a disaster. All the ministers sacked this week, and especially John Dughan sacked for “incompetence” had one thing in common, not reported by the BBC or anywhere else in the press I suspect. They were all supporters of Israel and against terrorism. McDonnell, with his pronouncements about the IRA which he has belatedly withdrawn purely for political reasons, is a supporter of terrorism. Corbyn is more interested in settling old scores than in working to bring down the Tory government or rebuilding Labour’s position in Scotland and Wales. I am sick of hearing that “Corbyn was elected by an overwhelming majority of members”. Hitler was equally popular with the rank and file in 1932.
John Dughan? Michael Dugher obviously has made quite an impression on you…..
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The anti-Corbyn campaign conducted by you people at Progress is an appalling disservice to the Party that you pretend to support. You may not like the new regime. I intensely disliked the Blair regime from the start – that is from the moment I heard Blair promise, in 1997, to stick to the Tory spending plans. It was then that I understood his lust for power at all costs and his lack of integrity. Subsequent events – not just Iraq but also the madness of PFI, student fees, the increase in inequality, the naive and uncomprehending meddliing in the Middle East and Afghanistan, the Party’s decimation in Scotland, the introduction of “market reforms” in education and health etc. etc. (lots more etceteras). There were good things too, particularly during the first term (97-01) which saw a genuine reduction in child poverty. But the second and third terms were increasingly dispiriting and the damage to the Party is still all too evident. However, despite my distaste for the man and my fury at our international militarism, I never thought to undermine the Party because I could see something much worse staring at us all across the aisle. What you are doing at Progress by lambasting Corbyn and everything he stands for is distancing yourselves from the membership and worse, doing the Tories job for them. Reading your stuff sets me to wondering if you are secretly in the pay of the Conservative Party or of one of its covert sponsors. It’s clear you want to get rid of Corbyn and his supporters in the shadow cabinet. If you succeed, the result will be mass desertion from the Party. Out here in the field, the grass-roots members I meet are unwavering in their support of the new leadership. These are the people the Party will need to knock on doors and “man” the ‘phones at election time. Get rid of Corbyn in the way you wish and – you’ll find us working for the Greens.
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It was ‘commies’ ( The Times) John McConnell, Red Ken and Seumas Milne pulling the strings of JC – so NO we have to stay within our party and stop the return to what the UK media called ‘the looney left’ 1980s and the collapse of the Labour vote already down now ‘one third’ since May ( The Times 9/1)
Some did not think it would be this bad but it is on terrorism, on international isolationism, on NATO, on Trident , etc., even the well respected MP Dan Jarvis says (BBC web site) he could not stand on this platform and believe this; many Labour members could not vote for this Red Ken package. So its dire.
Some of us Jeremey will fight and fight again to save our party from the massive defeat which kept us out of three govts. after 1982 but now coming again in 2020 after our Red Ed defeat and about which top expert Mike Smithson says of Corbyn and I quote ” I can find no example of a leader doing so badly on this scale who went on to turn things round. It is hard to see anything other than another CON majority”.
Oddly enough I agree with you that, on current evidence, it will be very difficult for Labour to win the next election. On the other hand, if Blair were still leader, I think Labour’s electoral chances would be even smaller. He won the third term with the lowest share of the vote in modern electoral history – 35%; and since then Blair and the government he led have been so massively discredited that even many die-hard Labour supporters would have difficult voting for the Party. Now let me answer your points. 1. Using sloppy ad hominems borrowed from the Murdoch press to disparage the current Labour leadership is precisely what we might expect from a Tory (e.eg ‘looney left’, ‘Red Ken’, ‘Red Ed’ etc.) 2. The idea that Corbyn is soft on terrorism is quite simply, a nasty, mendacious slur. I would argue, rather, that it is the UK’s meddlng in the Middle East that has vastly increased the danger of terrorism coming to our shores (especially Blair’s military adventurism, but also Cameron’s). They represent the dangerous thinking in UK politics, NOT Corbyn. Anyone who thinks that our foreign policy has nothing to do with anti-British terrorism has to come up with absurdities to justify their position: “they envy our way of life”, “they want to install a caliphate here” and so on. Unlike most soothsayers on this, I have lived in second and Third World countries for many years and I can claim to have some first hand knowledge in this area that most of our politicians entirely lack.
For what it’s worth, I think Corbyn has poor ratings partly because of the savage attacks on him by virtually the whole media – including The Guardian – and the BBC (try Laura Kuenssberg’s vitiriolic sneers), partly because he lacks charisma which, in our media-frenzied age is a real problem (neither Attlee – the 20th century’s greatest PM in my view – nor Wilson were charismatic but it didn’t matter in those days, and partly – here is my own criticism – because although I see him as highly principled, well-meaning and with firm convictions, he seems to me to be rather a lightweight who, on too many issues, lacks both knowledge and intellectual depth. He is also, on current evidence, at best a modest speaker and has minimal managerial skills. Having said that, I find the general intellectual quality of political discourse to be pretty low both in parliament and in the media. So what’s the answer for Labour? I think what we need first and foremost is a well-considered political programme; and we need to help the leadership develop what is sadly lacking at the moment – which is a vision of where the Party would like to take the country. Where are the values? What is the Party for? At present it has lost its way and is floundering, lashiing out against its own members instead of trying to build a sense of purpose and direction. If we were to do the latter, I suspect that the trajectory will be closer to Corbyn’s positions than Blair’s. One thing is for certain. Slagging off the leaderhsip for the next fours years will guarantee a Con victory in 2020. Is that what you prefer?
They have to go with the whole ‘hard left’ thing because Cameron has already stolen their New Labour clothes. £7.20 minimum wage in April? Dubbing it the ‘Living Wage’? Stealing the personel allowance increase policy from the Lib-Dems? Classic New Lab. No wonder Mandelson and Blair now attack Labour more than the Tories!
Now Corbyn and McDonnell are threatening to become the moderate centre left. The dustbin of history looms large!
Want to stop the fighting?
Then we need groups like yours to get on board. You’re the ones causing the issues in the party here, not Corbyn and his team. No matter how you may want to twist it, you, Mr. Angell, and the rest of the right of the party, are the ones causing the disruption. I’ll tell you something my Mother told me when I was small;
“If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all”.
Times on Saturday reports unelected Red Ken and ‘Commie’ ( their words 9/01) Seamas Milne and red book waving John McDonnell running the Labour Party leader JC. See the story Front page, page 8 and page 9. It stinks.
Dear Richard:
You are letting yourself – and hence Progress – be sucked into a sterile argument.
What Progress needs to do is to develop policy for advanced social democracy – for progress in a world where at least some of the goals of the original social democrats like Bernstein have been achieved in many countries.
Once we have defined Advanced Social Democracy – with a coherent narrative and intelligible policies – then we will have the tools needed to defeat the infantile disorder of leftism (Lenin’s phrase).
Lenin was referring to the German left communists. Some way from the moderate social democrats that are Corbyn and McDonnell! Who are already doing the “social democracy for the 21st century” stuff. They’re not arguing for vast nationalisation and ramping up taxation on the rich. They’re leaning toward a land value tax and some form of basic income. The 1970s it ain’t.
Hi “Blue Labour”. I fear you may have on rose spectacles. I may be wrong, but it seems the present leadership wants to consider itself “socialist” – not social democratic. This is an infantile disorder because it emphasises posture over practicality i.e. dreams over reality. Of course, children do grow out of this type of fantasy. But that requires learning from experience and admission of error.
Well, what is the difference? Some concrete examples would be good rather than ‘posture over practicality’. Social democracy is surely about reforming capitialism and making it work better for the vast majority? In what way do their politics resemble the ‘socialisms’ we’ve been used to? Are they proposing mass soviet style nationalisation? No, they are not. The railways, yes, even Tory voters agree on that. Doing something about the energy companies? Ditto. Direct building of council homes? A no brainer. Are they proposing huge increases in tax for higher public spending like the traditional social democratic parties of old? No. McDonnell has been clear that the focus is on taxing unearned income, ending the tax breaks on private landlords etc – so no vast hikes are proposed on income tax. It is about fairer taxes, not higher taxes. The talk is of land value tax. Indeed, ideal for Britain where 1% of the population own 60% of the land. They receive vast funds from the EU and trickle land onto the housing market and pay no tax on this. Real land reform has been long overdue.
Either way, I suspect a lot of self-identified socialists would denouce Corbyn/McDonnell as reformists. Contrary to the right of the party, McDonnell/Corbyn are the moderate centre-left. In the same way, Cameron is the heir to Blarism. As McDonnell are rightly pointed out, you’re out on the margins where he once was. My how times change!
Well the problem is right now that any of us may be “out on the margins”. Me. You. Jeremy Corbyn. Richard Angell.
The post-war consensus is fractured. The Washington consensus is fractured. The Welfare State narrative is in disarray. Free market narratives are in disarray.
So there is little solidity in any consensus toward which Labour is obliged to pitch.
This is definitely not the time for wishful thinking. Yet Corbyn writes in today’s Observer: “The real middle Britain … is crying out for a Labour government committed to fundamental reform.”
Yeah weren’t they doing just that last May. In their droves. Corbyn is indulging in wishful thinking. The “real” middle Britain? What’s that exactly? How does it relate to the other – fake (?) – middle Britain?
The public will not listen to endless internal political arguments. We either get together and grow beyond our differences or get nowhere. Resigning on Sunday Politics/Daily Politics is no help to anyone. Can we not resolve these matters in house?
I am so bored of the this falling out amongst the PLP. ALL of them need to take a long hard look at themselves and think why you are there and in whose interests they are meant to be working. So you don’t like Corbyn? he was elected – live with it. By all means argue your point but the things uniting us are more important than those dividing. Establish what they are and work at it. So individual political careers and ambitions are getting damaged as a result of this factional in fighting. What do I care? What does most of the membership care? It is not about careers and egos but getting social justice for the people of this country.
A Blairite party could no more win in this country than a radical left wing one could. So we all have to work together, in unity, to achieve the things we all want. And stay out of the bloody papers and tv studios – you look like a bunch of bickering school kids.
Which side are you on Progress? You really do need to decide if destroying the party that has realigned to a moderate left agenda is a smart career move? My motivation in supporting Corbyn and McDonnell is my belief that they are attempting to address the lives and needs of millions of the people in our country with policies that are wanting to change the status quo and address the power imbalances in our country. They are also trying to consult with the wider progressive left on policies and Momentum is a vehicle for this. They are doing so in barrage of abuse from the media, to be expected, and a barrage of abuse from within the PLP and this organisation, doing the Tories work for them. Would you rather a Conservative government stay in power than a Corbyn government be elected ? To a great many people this would appear to be the case. Why would that be?
Don’t anyone underestimate this. There is a war in progress for the heart and soul of the Labour party. And the hard left have a head start because we didn’t realise the war had been declared.
The hard left play a waiting game. They conspire and plot waiting for the opportunity. And the party has tolerated these divisive and disloyal characters in our midst – looking on them as part of our broad church. But they don’t play by our rules and have no qualms.
And now the time has come. Every moderate has a role to play in fighting for our side. PLP, members, activists, supporters and voters to restore sanity to the party before it’s too far gone.
Write/email to your MP. Write/email to your CLP. Write to Corbyn and complain. Take every opportunity to fight our ground, because you won’t get another chance. Once they have fully subverted the Party and its constitution then opposition will be pointless.
So, if we are all Labour and we all wanted Ed Milliband to win in May, why are some members so devoted to attacking a leader chosen by almost 60% of members? That’s not very “comradely” either, Mr Angell. Why not get behind the leader and present a united front at a time when the Conservatives are so clearly divided? Or is it more important to massage bruised egos?
Congratulations to jobacon too, for the most absurd comparison so far.